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and also address the problems causing a long-run deficit which are healthcare rapidly growing healthcare costs. we can improve our tax code by closing all the tax loopholes that we have. that's what the president has been focused on since frankly since i started working for him back in 09. >> rose: do you believe, are you hopeful that somehow the capitol, the dinners the lunches that are taking place that there's somehow a change in the dynamic of the conversation? >> i think the president is willing to try whatever will work. i think that it's a pretty high hurdle he's facing. i say that because the president worked awfully hard because of the congressional leadership to reach a grand bargain. we set as a goal as a number of others have to rules the deficit by 4 trillion dollars over the next decade. we made substantial progress. two and-a-half million. we didn't reach a plan then because speaker boehner decided to go to plan b. if we couldn't get to the bargain then i don't know if it's any easier now. it's hard for me to say what has changed from their calculations. but the president
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